And you are allowed to do your thought process, so you can say what you draw and what you mean by that So I see the algorithm certainly between two points. [laughs] Um... Well, I can't draw the shape of it somehow, so I formulated it as a word. But seeing between a start and maybe an end point... Yeah, where the end is supposed to be about... Just a data basis, an output but the goal should be [whispers] I don't know how to draw it - At the end [whispers] okay how do I draw it now [silent] At the end, oh [curse] [laughs] darn it [laughs]. That in the end, the goal should be that the end point or output is self-generated. Okay Okay, at first, both are there. So - this looks a little diffuse No, it's no problem, so you drew two circles and one is the input and the second circle is the output and in between is the algorithm? Yes Okay, and the algorithm does what? The algorithm will combine the two Okay, the input with the output? Yeah, that connects the, um... Yeah, that actually defines the connection. Okay, you don't have to keep drawing if you don't want to, you just say when you're done. Um, yeah, I guess. If it's enough... Right, so if you can't think of anything specific you want to add. Or I might. There would be-- okay, this would actually be the end phase or the end point and then there would be a learning preliminary phase which I would now-- where the algorithm is being created, so to speak. Okay, I could also draw it like this. [drawing noises] A lot of [laughs] or no, then here and then maybe it goes like this. Okay, and that, why is that on there? Why is there this pre- and final phase? Because then the algorithm is something fixed for me that is not given from the beginning, but is only generated by the information from the input and the output Okay, so it's building up? Yeah, it's building, all right. How did you learn about algorithms? Where does your knowledge of the subject come from? Maybe so far, a combination of complementing what came from studying statistics and then the desire to do something on your own, and then from different sources. But I would say maybe more through personal conversations with colleagues Who then told you something about it? Yeah, who knew more about it than I did. What did you mean by 'with the interest to do something yourself'? I wanted... because there are so many. Because there are so many public discourses, because it was so strong I just wanted to know what was really behind it and is it really so complicated? [laughs] And the public discourse on algorithms is about what exactly? Ehm yes about the buzzwords 'machine learning' and 'artificial intelligence' and that's where he kept running into you in that context? Yeah Cool then. Thanks.